uh oh

[scotchy]

Ok today I don't feel well at all. Got my new sump and overflow going last night. Within an hour of the water circulating my xenia shriveled up to nothing Now today my zoos are all shriveled and shrunk, all feather dusters disappeared, mushrooms shrunk, galaxy has very few tentacles out, scooter blenny expired and 2 damsels are awol think my sea hare has had the biscuit too. Sigh. Was it just too much new water for the sytem to handle all at once, beacause for the most part that was the only thing that changed. My head hurts lol. Any ideas on this one, time for me to go get wet.


Scott :boohoo: :tempt-fat

[scary gary]

If the sea hare has died first, he has harmed or killed the other stuff as they are toxic when killed or die. I doubt if adding the sump would hurt most of the things you mentioned unless the temp. and p.h. were not the same as the tank. Inverts are alot more sensitive to the water changes. I have a 65 gal. and do 30 gal. changes and have never lost anything yet. My guess is the sea hare died or was killed. Did you have algae in your tank or did he clean it all up? If he eat it all, he probabaly starved to death.

[scotchy]

I wish that was the case Gary but the sea hare is one of the few things that is still moving around although he's not looking as good as normal. The sea hare, coral banded shrimp and the turbo's are all thats alive right now.




Scott

[scary gary]

If the sea hare was attacked or bothered alot it can release the toxins.

[Fishy!]

Water Paramiters?

[scotchy]

Salinity was .023
Ammonia was 0
Nitrites were 0


The water I added to the sump was made only 48 hours before it was added and is the same water I use for 10% water changes which I do weekly to bi-weekly depending on how busy I am. I added close to 20 gallons to the sump. Same temp, same salinity. I am wondering if I didn't maybe introduce a toxin to the system by way of washing my hands and not rinsing enough or maybe something in the sink when I rinsed everything off. If it was the sea hare letting off toxins would it affect him too? The tank seems to be in better shape now, some featherdusters are coming out, the zoo's are open but look like they did under a 30 watt n.o. The galaxy shows no change, the bubble seems to be o.k. and one of the mushrooms is looking way better. It still smells strong but that seems to be subsiding too. If all I lose is what I lost i can deal with that. Thanks everybody for your concern and input it is greatly appreciated



Scott

[scotchy]

Found this on live aquaria .com ("If it becomes startled, it may release a purple dye to repel attacking fish. In the home aquarium, the Sea Hare will need a good chemical filter system to quickly remove this toxic dye before it causes problems.") According to that it's a purple dye of which I saw none of in the tank so I'm hoping that should rul out that option.

[orion80]

the purple dye only appears if it has been eating red algae, if it has been eating nothing but green algae the color of its toxins could possibly be a different color, or not quite as toxic, this green algae analogy is not 100% but it is plausible, I do know for sure that the purple dye comes from eating red algae though, been documented in many books, and on wet web media, and reef central.

Adie

I would run some major carbon to ensure their is no poison in the sytem and then change it at the end of the week, to make sure. Most threads on sea hares say u should b doing this with a sea hare in the tank any way just in case it does release anything.

[scotchy]

Things are starting to look up today. Some of the corals seem to be recovering especially the mushrooms, the shrimp is tooling around eating, same with the sea hare, little worried about the galaxy but now only time will tell. I have disconnected the sump and put the aquaclear 200 and 150 one with chemi-pure and the other with just carbon in for now. I figure it'll be easier to dilute whatever the problem is dealing with only 33 gallons for now and it seems to be working. The plus side of this whole mess is I learned a valuable lesson about cleanliness (by the way the mag 9.5 is one thing I forgot to rinse before putting it in the sump, dunno if it matters but it was a floor model at waterboy.) And the other plus side is the wife gave me the go-ahead for an 80 gallon bowfront:love2: woo-hoo. She felt sorry for me. So while my 33 is in the recovery stage I can start building a stand for the new one.




Scott

[orion80]

I would look at a 75 rectangular, everyone with a bow front usally regrets it in the end because u can never find proper lighting for them.

Just ask shaun lipon.

Adie

[Bayside Corals]

I would bet that the sea hare did release some amount of toxin but it's hard to say for sure.


Also I would take orion80 advise and get a square or rectangular tank. I had a 92 gallon bowfront at one time but I sold it for a rectangular tank. It's alot harder to get even light coverage over a bowfront. I'm not syaing that it's not possible it's just harder.

Colby
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[THEKID]

Great news about the new bigger tank, but I agree, don't buy a bow front. Everything looks distorted, plus as adie is right about the lighting. Nothing beats the old rectangle tank.


Jeret

[scotchy]

True enough guys. Actually I went and looked at them again today and decided against it based on the fact that they are acrylic and they just look cheaply slapped together. I figure I'll get a reef-ready 77 or 90 depending on the price difference. Thanx for the input though everybody.



Scott

[briansmyth]

Yes, the feedback I've heard from a few folks with bow fronts hasn't been positive.